Weve heard it before Drugs made me do it Alcohol made me do it My wife made me do it etc. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). Very valuable comment. You and who else; or is it just you princess? There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. Western Christians seem to view hell as a location whereas Eastern Christians seem to view it as a state of being. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. I agree!! The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bill's wife was made aware of the situation. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. We still do not know what that really means. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. [ https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! FOUR YEARS!! Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town. Anybody who doesnt respect your boundaries, whatever they are, is suspect. Look at it this way, if they had waited just 6-months longer Brother Hybels would have been given an honorable exit from the ministry as he faded into retirement without facing these allegations. Later I did not know how or who to talk to and began to second-guess and doubt myself as to its significance; that is, until years later when I began to hear stories of other similar encounters. I dont like people hugging me. Read Acts 2. Fast forward to a point where a number of people are coming forward sharing *the same experience. You searched for: Author: lynne hybels bill Older churches tend to have better systems in place for transitions and maybe enough history to understand that a church is not one man. There will be a full court press to save Hybels legacy. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. @ Davis and Natasha: This is centralized and IT probably has a means if necessary of reading the email (though it probably requires fairly high level authorization). Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. I just posted an article with links to two case studies from the #MeToo movement, one from the entertainment field (Joss Whedon) and one from the skeptics/scientists author-speaker circuit (Lawrence Krauss). 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. Jack wrote: I cannot find the comment so let me Some person, purportedly a woman, is blaming the women for going to Hybels hotel room. No. He got GAWD on his side Adults need to Stop being snookered by totalitarian niceness. They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. There are evil people who look like good people. Its a very reasonable step for Mr Hybels publishers to at least suspend his books until a more independent investigation has been completed. Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. This was not about a long hug. BTW, when I confronted him publicly, his response wasnt, I didnt do it, but You wanted me to. A married man twice my age, I might add, who nobody liked. In April 2018, when Bill Hybels' scandal got out, John Ortberg turned on his former master . WITCHES! There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. This is my church and I dont think there are any loliests but there are people who want a full accounting. . Theres theory, and then practise. Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? Its not. I know this sounds harsh but its notbecause I am guilty, too. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. Why do one in three Christian marriages end in divorce? Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. etc. I am going to ask a hard question. . Hybels has barely spoken anything about his married life and rarely has appeared in the media with his wife. It creates an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. Try finding a church now that sings traditional hymns or doesnt use projectors and worship teams. His wife had done nothing wrong . He may or may not have been directly abusing his own wife, but he surely was abusing the women in his church who he targeted. http://www.dianelangberg.com/2018/04/dear-church/. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. Read Acts 2. Still not handled. (Usually seeker Megas go with you are just human and made mistakes and not you are a worm so its to be expected. Just without a Christianese coat of paint. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. No, the flesh made them do it! Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. BTW, one of the drawbacks with the current format is we dont even see recent comments from older threads. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. At which she would perhaps be really smart to think that she could handle it herself without causing trouble in her marriage. @ Barbara Roberts: Things add up all too well, sadly. . But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. Thanks for sharing the link. Speak the Word when it is time and serve with love always. So grateful for this much-needed emphasis this weekend. @ Deborah: havent forgotten. Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. I am one of His people. People said the same sort of things about us, people sneered at us, shunned us, surely said Whats wrong with this picture just like you did. Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Yep. Bill and Lynne Hybels draw on their own personal experience and a guiding faith to offer practical advice on how to enjoy a lifetime of togetherness -- from finding a suitable mate and dealing with the most common marital problems to avoiding the pitfalls that can sabotage a healthy relationship. We still do not know what that really means. Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. And As I say if he had a true understanding of what his behavior had done he might give the kind of apology that these women want. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. Just listening to Hybels extol the leadership virtues of Heather Lawson (another blonde) was enough to make me wonder, Is anyone else hearing and seeing this? His own wife (Lynne) is very different from the women Hybels mentored. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist!. Thats a laugh. That seems inappropriate. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. As someone who didnt grow up in the church, I see the deep value of it. Nothing would happen there. I remember a similar excuse well stated by Flip Wilson The devil made me do it., No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ, I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ.*. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. The answer is quite simple. I hope someone captured that document. How to Resign from a Church My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Pulling the of the devil card is vintage playbook. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. After you were told by Bill that you dressed like a college professor and needed to dress appropriately for your position, I was the one asked to get you new clothing. Its hard to tell what I havent read. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. It was a constant topic from a social psychological view. @ Davis and Natasha: I get it bothers you. It was alleged in an article of 'Chicago Tribune.' Further, the Chicago Tribune and Christianity Today too reported allegations about his misconduct. That is a huge red flag. Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. In that planning he can do and say things prior to the offence which will give him a get out of jail free card later if his offence gets exposed or the target woman overtly resists his abuse. There are films to prove it. @ Erp: And my guess is the elders dont know either. My assessment is that the entire leadership there at Willow Creek needs to be held accountable and the base must face this issue with appropriate consequences. . You know, Bill Hybels for two decades or more promoted himself as the one with a system that would revolutionize the church and make it relevant. Character is revealed, not when things are going our way but when things are painful. Using God like a tool. I think the safest place for interaction is in public. Why? @ Davis and Natasha: Little children they say do not like to be hugged by the old people so I dont do it. Because my -and others- comments are moderated, there can be a lot of instantly-posted discussion between a (approval-needed) comment and when it appears. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. Its ridiculous. manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. @ dee: Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. STOP TAKING THE STUFF! The church is one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. But of course, youve been trained up in the world of megas, where vapid sayings take the place of the Bible. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. So, I have having network issues, and a IT person is working on my computer. They often wonder, Did that really just happen? What really just happened? Am I interpreting that correctly? How should I interpret it? etc., etc.. How does one explain it? Joss Whedon Is a Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals, according to his ex-wife Kai Cole in her guest post on *The Wrap*. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. I think they all have the same m.o. Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. To choose to continue to take a medication in spite of those side effects, when there are so many other sleep aids available, makes no sense. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility tojudgment were made public spin). Alway such an emphasis on putting Willow Creek 1st, how about putting Jesus 1st? 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